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    Rig Veda to particle physics

    New Delhi, Dec. 13: Physicist Vivek Sharma who was born in Muzaffarpur, Bihar, and now leads an international group hunting for the Higgs boson sees the search as an attempt to seek out answers to questions posed in the Rig Veda.

    Sharma, who went to a Kendriya Vidyalaya in Pune and pursued master's in physics at the Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur, says he was drawn to experimental particle physics after learning Rig Veda hymns from his mother, a Sanskrit scholar. The ancient text has a hymn on creation that speculates on the origin of the universe and describes a period when "all that existed was void and formless".

    "It was a shock, it left an impression in my mind. Thousands of years ago people were contemplating our origins," said Sharma, a professor at the University of California, San Diego, and head of a Higgs search team at CERN, the European research laboratory.

    He was still a high school student but began thinking how modern technology might be used to probe creation. The Higgs boson, the subatomic particle that Sharma and his colleagues are looking for, was predicted in the 1960s to explain the origin of mass.

    A discovery of the Higgs boson is important for physicists because it is the last missing, or unseen, piece of a bedrock theory of physics called the Standard Model that explains all the forces and particles in nature except gravity.

    Sharma moved to the US in 1984, treating higher studies in the US as a route to plunge into experimental physics requiring expensive machines ' particle accelerators ' but spent five years at CERN in the early 1990s where he discovered two new subatomic particles, including a cousin of the proton, but five times heavier.

    His enthusiasm for experimental physics emerges in his talks ' whether delivered to fellow-physicists or aspiring students. It also appears to temper any emotions that might spring each time particle detectors at CERN spot signals resembling traces of the Higgs boson.

    "Experiments will ultimately tell us what is right and what is wrong," he said. In the coming months, Sharma and his colleagues will refine their analyses and combine the data from the two main particle detectors looking for the Higgs boson.

    "Our curiosity about our origins doesn't change anybody's life, but there is a satisfaction from understanding such things," Sharma said in a telephone interview ahead of the CERN seminar where scientists presented their latest results from the Higgs search.

    "But when we build machines like the Large Hadron Collider (the particle accelerator at CERN where proton-proton collisions are used to search for the Higgs boson), it requires us to invent new technologies that can change people's lives," he said.

    The World Wide Web was created at CERN to help physicists move data around between different computers in a seamless fashion. "It's a great example of how something that is good for physicists turned out to be fantastic for the public," Sharma said.

    New technologies and ideas that are born in experimental physics laboratories may have implications in information technology and medicine. "Our goals are esoteric, but what sometimes comes out benefits the public," he said.

    Sharma, whose routine in recent years has been eight weeks at CERN and 10 to 15 days with his wife and 7-year-old daughter in San Diego, is also keen on drawing more students to physics.

    His homepage has a link to a talk he once delivered to prospective students and their parents. "The popular belief that physicists do not make much money is totally false," the link says. "Physics majors make more money than chemistry or bio majors."

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    92 comments

    • j.s.murthy  •  5 months ago
      I recollect what my maternal grand father used to say in my childhood that Vedas have hidden replies to all scientific answers. He used to say that Germans translated Vedas in their language and developed science in their country. Even their symbol is Swastika which they have picked up from India. What is the truth in this point of opinion I don't know, but it appears our ancestors had immense knowledge about universe which we have forgotten in our quest for western education, which in the present day situation means getting better jobs. It is high time that our Government should take appropriate steps to encourage Sanskrit scholars to pursue their research in Sanskrit. Unfortunately in our country pursuance of this language is not fetching the so called dignified jobs resulting in our forgetting the language which has many answers to every day life.
      • BJ 5 months ago
        Sorry but your grandfather was wrong:

        1) Germans did translate the Vedas because of their quest for Aryan supremacy. Yes they used the swastika. But they DID not find any science in it. Some amazing philopshy but not science.

        2) The Germans were ultra racists who systematically murdered the Jews. They treated Indians as 2nd class Aryans because apparently our blood was mixed with the Dravidians of South India. (Which I'm proud of , as my parents come from different ends of India)

        3) Germans encouraged WESTERN science and technology to a huge extent. The culture in Germany was of change and new ideas. While in India we still give a lot of precedance to religion and culture over science.

        4) Your opinions on sanskrit and jobs are fine. I have no quarrel with you on that

        Clearly Sir , you have forgotten large and important parts of recent german history. I feel sad that you omitted those parts
    • Fourth Dimensions  •  5 months ago
      NASA & THE BIBLE
      .

      Did you know that the space program is busy proving that what has been
      called 'myth' in the Bible is true?
      Mr. Harold Hill, President of the Curtis Engine Company in Baltimore,
      Maryland, and a consultant in the space program, relates the following
      development.

      'I think one of the most amazing things that God has done for us today
      happened recently to our astronauts and space scientists at Green Belt,
      Maryland .

      They were checking out where the positions of the sun, moon, and planets
      would be 100 years and 1,000 years from now. We have to know this so we
      won't send up a satellite and have it bump into something later on in its
      orbits.

      We have to lay out the orbits in terms of the life of the satellite and
      where the planets will be so the whole thing will not bog down.
      They ran the computer measurement back and forth over the centuries, and it
      came to a halt. The computer stopped and put up a red signal, which meant
      that there was something wrong with either the information fed into it or
      with the results as compared to the standards.

      They called in the service department to check it out, and they said,
      'What's wrong?' Well, they found there is a day missing in space in elapsed
      time.

      They scratched their heads and tore their hair out. There was no answer.
      Finally a Christian man on the team said, 'You know, one time I was in
      Sunday School, and they talked about the sun standing still.' While they
      didn't believe him, they didn't have an answer either, so they said, 'Show
      us, He got a Bible and went to the book of Joshua where they found a pretty
      ridiculous statement for any one with 'common sense.'
      There they found the Lord saying to Joshua,
      'Fear them not, I have delivered them into thy hand; there shall not a man
      of them stand before Thee.'
      Joshua was concerned because he was surrounded by the enemy! And if
      darkness fell, they would overpower them. So Joshua asked the Lord to make
      the sun stand still! That's right... 'The sun stood still and the moon
      stayed and lasted not to go down about a whole day!'
      (Joshua 10:12-13)

      The astronauts and scientists said, There is the missing day! They checked
      the computers going back into the time it was written and found it was
      close but not close enough. The elapsed time that was missing back in
      Joshua's day was 23 hours and 20 minutes. not a whole day.
      They read the Bible, and there it was about [approximately] a day. These
      little words in the Bible are important, but they were still in trouble
      because if you cannot account for 40 minutes, you'll still be in trouble
      1000 years from now...

      Forty minutes had to be found because it can be multiplied many times over
      in orbits. As the Christian employee thought about it, he remembered
      somewhere in the Bible where it said the sun went BACKWARDS.
      The scientists told him he was out of his mind, but they got out the Book
      and read these words in 2 Kings that told of the following story: Hezekiah,
      on his death bed, was visited by the prophet Isaiah who told him that he
      was not going to die. Hezekiah asked for a sign as proof. Isaiah said 'Do
      you want the sun to go ahead 10 degrees?'
      Hezekiah said, 'It is nothing for the sun to go ahead 10 degrees, but let
      the shadow return backward 10 degrees.' Isaiah spoke to the Lord, and the
      Lord brought the shadow ten degrees BACKWARD! Ten degrees is exactly 40
      minutes!'

      Twenty-three hours and 20 minutes in book of Joshua, plus 40 minutes in the book of Second Kings make the missing day in the universe! Isn't it amazing?
      References: Joshua 10:8 and 12,13 and 2 Kings 20:9-11.
      If God could do this then; how much more can he do for us today. If we only
      believe in HIS WORD
      .

      Never be afraid to try something new
      • Joyce 5 months ago
        Jesus is the WORD of GOD. which became flesh and dwelt amoung us John 1 : 14
      • BJ 5 months ago
        Jesus didnt exist . And christians today are nothing liek Christ
      • Evelyn 5 months ago
        BJ@ Jesus And Christ are the same. You are contradicting yourself.
    • Anita  •  5 months ago
      The answer lies in the Vedas,in Srimad MahaBhagwatham By Vyasa Maharshi,in Srimad Bhagwad Gita...In "OMKARAM"..the Russians Experimented 'Sabdha (Nada) Brahma' & published an article With photographs in the SovietUnion Magazine i think in the seventies.The answer can be found only in India.You Can Discover Only What Is Already There...& Every thing is there in the Vedas & Puranas,the Rishis Discovered "IT".Once You Discover It Only You Can Experience It You cannot make another person understand it...maybe you can describe it ..ie why its still unknown to the majority...nobody can steal it or make millions from it or patent it..
      • BJ 5 months ago
        no asnwers lie there. plz learn some science
      • sandeep 5 months ago
        hey BJ(BLOW JOB) R U a scientist??? y r u keep advising people to learn some science?? have u learnt enough??
      • BJ 5 months ago
        Yes Sandas (Sandas is marathi for toilet haha ) , I am a scientist. I've learned a great deal but much more to be learned. Unlike religion which is arrogant and claims to know EVERYTHING(becuz god is everything), science is modest and says "Lets find out"

        But tell me Mr. toilet , have you learnt any ?
    • bhuvana  •  5 months ago
      good to hear this!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • Manish  •  5 months ago
      The philosophical mind can see and feel the truths. RigVeda is philosophical literature which tries to delve into the truths unknown. It does not have a proof for whatever has been text. Todays science believes in proofs by experimenting. The two (Rigveda and the physics) together can find the GOD (the unknown).
      • BJ 5 months ago
        Why Rig VEDA? Why not Bible or Koran or harry Potter? Science doesn BELIVE in stuff like religions. I agree that for PHILOSOPHY VEDAS etc are good. But NOT for understanding physical reality
    • trader123  •  5 months ago
      yojayitva--after conglomerating; tu--then; tani--them; eva--certainly;
      pravivesa--He entered; svayam--Himself; guham--the hidden cavity; guham--the
      hidden cavity; praviste--after He entered; tasmin--within that; tu--then; jivaatma--
      the jivas; pratibudhyate--were awakened.
      TRANSLATION
      By conglomerating all those separate entities He manifested the innumerable
      mundane universes and Himself entered into the inmost recess of every extended
      conglomerate [virad-vigraha]. At that time those jivas who had lain dormant
      during the cataclysm were awakened.
      PURPORT
      The word guha (hidden cavity) bears various interpretations in the sastras.
      In some portions the nonmanifestive pastimes of the Lord is called guha and
      elsewhere the resting place of the indwelling spirit of all individual souls, is
      named guha. In many places the inmost recesses of the heart of each individual
      is termed guha.
      Shri Brahma Samitha
      • trader123 5 months ago
        tattvani--elements; purva-rudhani--previously created; karanani--causes;
        parasparam--mutually; samavaya--of the process of conglomeration; aprayogat--
        from the nonapplication; ca--and; vibhinnani--separate; prthak prthak--one from
        another; cit-saktya--with His spiritual potency; sajjamanah--associating; atha--
        then; bhagavan--the Supreme Personality of Godhead; adi-purusah--the primal
        Godhead; yojayan--causing to join; mayaya--with Maya; devah--the Lord; yoganidram--
        Yoganidra; akalpayat--He consorted with.
        TRANSLATION
        Before their conglomeration the primary elements in their nascent state
        remained originally separate entities. Nonapplication of the conglomerating
        process is the cause of their separate existence. Divine Maha-Visnu, primal
        Godhead, through association with His own spiritual [cit] potency, moved Maya
        and by the application of the conglomerating principle created those different
        entities in their state of cooperation. And alter that He Himself consorted with
        Yoganidra by way of His eternal dalliance with His spiritual [cit] potency.
      • BJ 5 months ago
        Shut up
    • Fourth Dimensions  •  5 months ago
      The BIBLE tells us of the origin of the earth and creation. The book of JOB in the BIBLE states of the creation of the Universe. If one studies it one can find many answeres for science and life. The old testament of the BIBLE existed in oral form from the time of creation of mankind, there after in the form of ancient tablets, stones, etc. It is one of the most ancient scripture revealed by GOD to mankind. Though the written form of the BIBLE was under taken when man began to invent ink and scrolls of paperrus leaves. but the oral form existed from the time of creation of human beings
    • SUMAN  •  5 months ago
      That's the reason why India is proud to be. But we follow others. And Politicians/Parents/Students should read this article.
    • chidireddi  •  5 months ago
      Using modern science to answer questions raised in Rig Veda
    • Fourth Dimensions  •  4 months ago
      NASA Discovery Confirms The Bible account of The Creation of the Earth

      Discoveries made by NASA in 2004 appear to confirm the Genesis account of planet formation to be scientifically accurate and may help close the gap of controversy between today`s science and the Bible`s simple record of creation.
      NASA`s Hubble and Spitzer Telescopes discovered locations in our Milky Way Galaxy in 2004, where infant stars are born and mature.
      Enveloped around these young stars were "proto-planetary dust clouds," which scientists say are the materials from which planets are made. Scientists have observed that young stars have huge reservoirs of planet-building materials while more mature stars have less dust around them, as the dust coalesces over time to create planets.
      In this process planets are born from a formless chaotic state in total darkness obscured from their sun. As the planet matures and sucks up all the dust, light slowly emerges, at first as diffused light upon the planet corresponding to day one of Genesis, and later as direct sun light as things clear up, corresponding to day four.
      Spitzer turned its ultra-sensitive infrared spectrograph instrument toward five young stars in the constellation Taurus. These stars are still surrounded by thick, dusty discs -- relics of the gravitational collapse that formed them only a few million years ago. What was observed appears to fit the Genesis description of the Earth in its early years.
      darkness upon the surface of the watery deep." Based on these discoveries, during its early formation phase the earth would have literally fit the description of being without form and in darkness, and in its later phase the earth was covered with water for a time before land appeared.
      NASA`s scientists have discovered that as planets mature inside their chaotic dusty cocoon they gradually suck up all the dust between them and the sun so that the planets slowly emerge from darkness into the light.
      The account of creation as per Genesis 1:3. States, Let there be light," and there was light. As the earth matured it would have emerged from a long period of darkness replaced with gradual light.
      Older Sun-like stars studied by Spitzer average 4 billion years old, nearly the same age as our Sun with known planets, and were found with Kuiper Belt-like debris discs. These discs are 10 to 100 times thinner than the ones around young stars, and about 100 times fainter than the young stars imaged by Hubble, and about 100 times brighter.
      NASA produced videos and data obtained from the combined discoveries by Hubble and Spitzer simulate Genesis simple description of how the Earth was formed when you stitch all the data together, according to armature astronomer and author Paul Hutchins.
      Research Hutchins has done on the Hubble and Spitzer discoveries lead him to write the book, "Hubble Reveals Creation by an Awe-Inspiring Power" which details how the genesis account and NASA discoveries parallel each other.
      Hutchins research of the original Hebrew wording in Genesis lead him to conclude that Genesis, read in its original Hebrew would reveal that the six creative days are not literal 24 hour days but rather six unspecified periods of development the earth underwent which agrees with today`s science.
      Also that the Sun and stars were already present at the time of Earth`s creation, becoming visible from earth only after the dust was sucked up by the planets, further showing a connection between the Bible`s account and NASA`s observations.
      He says, "When many read the Genesis account in their native tongue, such as English, they perceive that it says God created the earth in six literal days, and that the sun, moon, and stars were created after the earth, which conflicts with today`s scientific evidence
      Contd........
    • Irene Dsouza  •  Gurgaon, Haryana  •  5 months ago
      The HOLY BIBLE is a book to teach mankind on SALVATION FROM SIN. It is not a textbook to learn science or technology. BUT one can get references for the unknown. BJ@ WHO CREATED THE HUMAN BRAIN THAT WAS CAPABLE TO INVENT THE COMPUTER???????? AS CLAIMED BY YOU BELOW.
    • UDAY M SHIRODKAR  •  5 months ago
      I feel proud Physicists Shri Vivek Sharma is Indian......
    • Aapswami  •  Pune, Maharashtra  •  5 months ago
      visit google blog om agasti dahar vidya yoga
    • Sanjay Tirdiya  •  5 months ago
      If the radiance of a thousand suns
      Were to burst at once into the sky,
      That would be like the splendor of the Mighty One...
      I am become Death,
      The shatterer of Worlds.

      The Bhagavad-Gita

      It is said Robert Oppenheimer, the American Scientist following the Trinity Nuclear explosion test in New Mexico, at the Alamogordo Test Range, on the Jornada del Muerto (Journey of Death) desert, is reported to have recited the passage from the Bhagavad-Gita reproduced above. .

      Actually, it is improper to assume that mankind has progressed only now, in it's long history. Our ancestors down the ages had evolved and progressed too. All that is apparently lost somewhere down the ages, which we have to discover by exploring continuously.

      The awesome power of the universe of which we are a part is a wonder too.
    • MOHINDER  •  5 months ago
      Just Changing name & call it science(or physical science) can not change the truth..Nothing new has been discovered. It was all there & will remain. Just fooling around & polarazing people by saying that something new has happened is just manuplation of past. Yes little knowledge is a dangerous thing - Drink deep - There is nothing which can not be achieved in this universe. All answers are in your brain -Just put some stress on it, you will know what our past was & what our future is. (Keep yourself away from any religion you belong to but trust in God is must).No religious or science can lead you to the god or eternity. Science is just a dust particle & religious is food to the gready people. EVERY THING WHAT IS HAPPNING WILL HAPPEN & NOTHING CAN STOP IT. WHAT IN THIS UNIVERSE IS NOT GODS PARTICLE-EVERY THING.(AUM)
    • sudhanvac  •  5 months ago
      Satyendra Nath Bose is the person after whom the BOSON (Bose + Proton) is named. There is hardly any mention about this fact in all this news about the new shower of subatomic particles at he large hadron collider in Geneva. Also it is called just by the name of Higgs particle, whereas Bose predicted it and Higgs spoke about it. At least the God Particle is a better way of calling if some are shy of giving credit where it is due.
      schar
    • shirish  •  5 months ago
      Einstein had thought of Theory of Unified field. Rig-Veda has thought of Theory of Unified Particle. In fact we see the world in physical shape. We cannot see the fields. It is the particle that has the property to have field. Under the field all of them interact.
    • Jayalakshmi  •  5 months ago
      I know that our Vedas contained many experiments on our origin, but it makes me happy to hear it from a scientist.
    • haridas  •  5 months ago
      We have the knack to link anything and every thing to our damn Vedas written by some primitive Greeko-Romans. We even link a simple physical fitness regime Yoga to so called glorious unfounded religion.Its time to get rid of this phobia and get real. Fact is that Vivek Sharma was useless in Bihar but found something to munch with only when he was exported to one of the most developed country.Further Science and not stupid religious sentiments.
    • rex  •  5 months ago
      I find it quite disturbing that people who celebrate about the Vedas being quoted are not equally comfortable when the Bible is quoted. But in the same breath say "religious peace" should be fostered. While each sect claims that their's pre-dates the other, what we should truly celebrate is that "The Scriptures" continue to provide answers to humans and to even scientists who have long rejected the very notion of GOD. And for those who do believe in a peace-promoting God, STOP the fighting.

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